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		<title>Comment on We do not need richer software process models by Trevor Harrison</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The challenge is not to try and achieve certainty but to learn to manage uncertainty.”
Chris Blake [Blake07, p.19]

[Blake07]	Blake, Chris (2007), “The Art of Decisions : How to manage in an uncertain world”, Financial Times Prentice Hall, UK.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The challenge is not to try and achieve certainty but to learn to manage uncertainty.”<br />
Chris Blake [Blake07, p.19]</p>
<p>[Blake07]	Blake, Chris (2007), “The Art of Decisions : How to manage in an uncertain world”, Financial Times Prentice Hall, UK.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Frog and the Octopus go to Snowbird by johnesmiller</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Horror The Horror!  They both live in Water.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on We do not need richer software process models by Rich vs Lean software process models . . . yawn. . . . &#171; The Life of a Software Architect</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich vs Lean software process models . . . yawn. . . . &#171; The Life of a Software Architect]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 01:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] software must be done using lean and agile software process models, and the suggestion to use (the so-called) waterfall or rich models is overcomplicated things (and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on The Elephants in the Agile Room by Post-Chasm Agile Blues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Post-Chasm Agile Blues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Elephants in the Agile Room by A Roundup of Popular Agile Articles - WebsitesMadeRight.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Roundup of Popular Agile Articles - WebsitesMadeRight.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 23:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on We do not need richer software process models by John Brøndum</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Brøndum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe there is two forces in action here: 1) people like &#039;simple&#039; because it is easier to understand and apply, and 2) people want to help through guidance, hence they start to elaborate on &#039;simple&#039; and over time &#039;simple&#039; becomes &#039;rich&#039;. 

Dr. Winston W. Rovce&#039;s paper titled &quot;Managing the development of large software systems&quot; is by some referenced as the &#039;original&#039; source for what people might generally know as the &#039;waterfall method&#039; (probably due to his figure 2 and call for extensive documentation). But reading the paper, it seems to me that Winston&#039;s proposal is relatively simple, (somewhat) iterative and neither heavy or complicated. Maybe it is just (my guess) that the &#039;waterfall method&#039; has evolved (through added guidance to be helpful) and mutated (due to misunderstandings) into this rigid, heavy, slow process, that it is perceived to be today. 

But guidance is (often) better than no guidance, and as such it may be more a question of being able to choose (wisely) regarding what guidance you need rather than attempt to follow *all* of the guidance on offer by the so called &#039;rich methods&#039;? And the opposite question is: Do &#039;agile methods&#039; provide enough guidance, for all projects, or only some, and if so then what kind of projects? Will today&#039;s agile (or light, or simple) methods be tomorrow&#039;s &#039;rich waterfall&#039; methods? 

I hope this was helpful.... :)

John

Dr Winstons&#039; paper: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=41801

Btw, if you find that the link for the &quot;Addressing the essential difficulties of software engineering&quot; paper isn&#039;t working then try this one: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0164-1212(94)00067-0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe there is two forces in action here: 1) people like &#8216;simple&#8217; because it is easier to understand and apply, and 2) people want to help through guidance, hence they start to elaborate on &#8216;simple&#8217; and over time &#8216;simple&#8217; becomes &#8216;rich&#8217;. </p>
<p>Dr. Winston W. Rovce&#8217;s paper titled &#8220;Managing the development of large software systems&#8221; is by some referenced as the &#8216;original&#8217; source for what people might generally know as the &#8216;waterfall method&#8217; (probably due to his figure 2 and call for extensive documentation). But reading the paper, it seems to me that Winston&#8217;s proposal is relatively simple, (somewhat) iterative and neither heavy or complicated. Maybe it is just (my guess) that the &#8216;waterfall method&#8217; has evolved (through added guidance to be helpful) and mutated (due to misunderstandings) into this rigid, heavy, slow process, that it is perceived to be today. </p>
<p>But guidance is (often) better than no guidance, and as such it may be more a question of being able to choose (wisely) regarding what guidance you need rather than attempt to follow *all* of the guidance on offer by the so called &#8216;rich methods&#8217;? And the opposite question is: Do &#8216;agile methods&#8217; provide enough guidance, for all projects, or only some, and if so then what kind of projects? Will today&#8217;s agile (or light, or simple) methods be tomorrow&#8217;s &#8216;rich waterfall&#8217; methods? </p>
<p>I hope this was helpful&#8230;. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>John</p>
<p>Dr Winstons&#8217; paper: <a href="http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=41801" rel="nofollow">http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=41801</a></p>
<p>Btw, if you find that the link for the &#8220;Addressing the essential difficulties of software engineering&#8221; paper isn&#8217;t working then try this one: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0164-1212(94)00067-0" rel="nofollow">http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0164-1212(94)00067-0</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Context of Software Development by We do not need richer software process models &#171; Philippe Kruchten</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[We do not need richer software process models &#171; Philippe Kruchten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 00:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Framework . I tried myself to develop a conceptual model of software development (the frog and the octopus), [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on The Elephants in the Agile Room by The Agile Manifesto is 10 years old! &#171; iPROFS Technology Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Agile Manifesto is 10 years old! &#171; iPROFS Technology Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 12:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Elephants in the Agile Room by Picking Agile vs. Waterfall “Projects”: a Ten Point Quiz. &#171; Scaling Software Agility</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Picking Agile vs. Waterfall “Projects”: a Ten Point Quiz. &#171; Scaling Software Agility]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 17:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] maturity if we could more readily admit them (see my friend Philippe Kruchten’s report “The Elephant in the Room”) from the 10th year Agile celebration in Snowbird, UT on February 11th and 12th; also see Ryan [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on The Elephants in the Agile Room by 10 Years Agile &#8211; a perspective from outside the room</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[10 Years Agile &#8211; a perspective from outside the room]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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